Draft report of the 20th Plenary Meeting

March 2002, Sydney, Australia


Location and programme


List of those present


1. OPENING OF THE MEETING

The Chairman welcomed members to the 20th plenary meeting of ISO/TC 92 and thanked SAI for providing excellent meeting facilities for the week.

2. ROLL CALL OF DELEGATES

The Chairman invited leaders of the delegations and liaison members to introduce themselves.

3. ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA

The agenda in document N 910 was approved.

4. APPOINTMENT OF THE DRAFTING COMMITTEE

It was agreed that the drafting committee would consist of the Secretary and Mr Rutman.

5. REPORT OF THE 19TH MEETING (N 908)

The report was approved.

6. REPORT OF THE SECRETARIAT (N 899)

The Secretary introduced her report in document N 921, which contained the current membership of TC 92, including liaison and observer members. The Secretary confirmed that the ISO server was now fully operational and that all registered members would receive automatic e-mails, informing them of new documents added to the TC site. The server would be updated following the Sydney meeting and all new members would receive a log-in name and password.

The Secretary referred to her recent letter to members concerning electronic circulation of documents (N 917) and confirmed that once the ISO server was updated, paper circulation of TC 92 would cease. All the documents would be available to registered members from the server.

The Secretary also reported that ISO had stopped producing Annual Reports, as all the information that used to be contained in them was now available from the ISO web site: www.iso.org

6.1 Re-appointment of the SC 1 Chairman

The Chairman said that Bjorn Sundstrom, the SC 1 Chairman, was due for re-appointment. Dr Sundstrom was re-appointed for a further period of 6 years, ending in March 2008.

RESOLUTION 247

6.2 Technical Specifications

The Chairman introduced his letter to the Secretary General of ISO, explaining TC 92's concern about the new deliverables Technical Specifications and Technical Reports, together with a response from Mr Smith, Director of Standards at ISO (N 919). Mr Smith had suggested that guidance documents should be published as International Standards, with Technical Reports reserved for collections of data. Technical Specifications should be used for documents that had failed at DIS vote or state of the art documents, where there was insufficient knowledge and/or experience to publish as a full standard.

Concern about the use of the term 'Technical Specification' for guidance documents had been raised in SC 3, as it could be confused with a full standard in some countries and could be seen as carrying some contractual liability. Dr Gann said that SC 3 was not satisfied with the response from ISO CS and still would prefer a new deliverable, such as a 'Technical Guide'.

It was agreed that TC 92 would follow the advice from ISO CS and in future publish guidance documents as International Standards whenever possible.

RESOLUTION 248

7. FRAMEWORK FOR THE LONG TERM FUTURE STANDARDISTION OF FIRE SAFETY

Dr Alpert thanked members of TG 244 for their contribution to the development of the framework document. The latest version had been tabled as document N 911/Rev. Dr Alpert invited the sub-committee Chairmen to present their members' views on the revised document.

Dr Sundstrom reported that SC 1 had suggested that a clear reference should be made to reference scenarios and that figure 2 should be amended accordingly. Also, it should be made clear that the cone calorimeter could be used for other than building products.

Mr Priest said that SC 2 endorsed the document, but suggested that it should be simplified.

Dr Gann said that SC 3 would submit its comments in the near future.

Dr Kruppa reported that SC 4 had agreed to review TR 13387-1 'Application of fire performance concepts to design objectives' and to turn it into a high level standard as defined in the framework document. A project group had been set up and experts from SC 1, SC 2, SC 3, ISO/TC 21 and organisations in liaison had been invited to participate in this work.

Dr Yoshida presented the IMO views on the framework document in N 930, in which he suggested that TC 92 should extend its interest to other areas, such as transportation, electro-technical products and furniture. TC 92 should also provide tools for the evaluation of fire safety and to establish closer liaison with various product committees.

The Chairman said that a special meeting of TPMG had been arranged to finalise the document and to draft a model standard. It was hoped that this could be completed within 6 months. He suggested that once these documents were available, a joint workshop with other technical committees with an interest in fire could be organised to introduce the TC 92's proposals and receive their comments.

Members endorsed the framework document as the TC 92 policy for the future, subject to minor amendments following consultation and meetings of TG 244.

RESOLUTION 249

8. REPORT FROM WG 8 FIRE TERMS AND DEFINITIONS

Mr Burry introduced the WG 8 report in document N 927. WG 8 had agreed to extend ISO 13943 to cover all fire terms at its London meeting. The UK had provided a draft document containing 1283 terms, for development into an ISO standard. Mr Burry suggested that a revised draft would be circulated to all the sub-committees for comment. He invited each SC to nominate a co-ordinator to liaise with WG 8 on the issue of terms and definitions. He agreed to provide the document by the end of April. All the comments would be considered and a revised version of the document should be available by March 2003.

The Chairman expressed his concern about the low attendance at the WG 8 meetings. At the London meeting IEC had nominated Mme Chavrie to join the group, but expressed their concern that this had not been followed up by WG 8. Mr Burry explained that no papers had been circulated because the UK briefing committee had been developing the document for submission to WG 8. This stage had now been completed and the document had been submitted to WG 8 for further development.

The Chairman invited the sub-committees and liaison bodies to provide input to WG 8. The Secretary agreed to ensure that the documents were sent to the appropriate members and organisations.

Action: Secretary

9. REPORT FROM WG 11 - TECHNICAL PROGRAMME MANAGEMENT GROUP

The Chairman introduced his report in document N 924. TPMG had met twice since the London meeting in September 2000 in London and Sydney. The London meeting mainly concentrated on liaison issues, with presentations from representatives of IEC/TC 89, ISO/TC 178 and SFPE. Thirteen new work item proposals had been considered and appropriate recommendations had been agreed. The framework document had been discussed at both meetings. Also, the International Finance Corporation had requested TC 92's assistance in preparing standards on fire safety management, mainly for use in developing countries. The Chairman had invited IFC to seek formal liaison with TC 92.

A meeting between the Chairmen of TC 92, SC 4 and ISO/TC 178 had been held to discuss areas of joint work. TC 178 had offered to assist SC 4 in their consideration of the role of lifts in evacuation from tall buildings.

Problems in communication between IEC/TC 89 and ISO/TC 92 were discussed. The move by both committees to electronic working environment had caused difficulties for IEC/TC 89 in not receiving comments on their drafts 89/505DTS and 89/462CDV. The Secretary agreed to ensure that TC 92 had access to the IEC web site.

The highlights of the TPMG work were outlined in more detail in document N 924. The reports of TPMG meetings were available to members on the TC 92 server.

10. REPORT FROM SC 1 - FIRE INITIATION AND GROWTH

Dr Sundstrom presented the SC 1 report in document N 923, which contained the information about its membership, new WG structure and work programme. SC 1 was making good progress, with 8 documents currently at ISO CS, awaiting FDIS and DIS ballot. Four documents had been approved for CD ballot at the Sydney meeting. Also, two new work item proposals had been approved for ballot, subject to endorsement by TPMG.

RESOLUTION 246

11. REPORT FROM SC 2 - FIRE CONTAINMENT

Mr Priest introduced the SC 2 report in document N 931. SC 2 was evaluating its standards for their potential use in fire safety engineering (new WG 7). Also, a new WG 8 was developing a jet fire test. WG 3 had considered two draft European Standards on lifts, which could be used as a basis of an ISO standard. The documents had been circulated to WG 3 members for comment.

Dr Kruppa said that a liaison meeting with the representatives of TC 178 'Lifts' had been arranged for June 2002 in Paris. He invited SC 2 participation in the meeting, at which lift landing doors would be discussed as well as the use of lifts for evacuation.

12. REPORT FROM SC 3 - FIRE THREAT TO PEOPLE AND ENVIRONMENT

Dr Gann reported on progress in SC 3 (N 928). He was pleased to announce that TS 13571 had been approved for publication as a Technical Specification following ten years of development. Two new work item proposals had been endorsed by TPMG and would now be circulated for ballot.

Dr Gann also reported on the communication problems with IEC/TC 89 concerning tube furnace test. SC 3 had agreed a resolution on this and invited members of TC 92 to approve it for submission to TC 89. The resolution was approved.

RESOLUTION 250

13. REPORT FROM SC 4 - FIRE SAFETY ENGINEERING

Dr Kruppa introduced his report in document N 932 and presented the resolutions agreed at the Sydney meeting of SC 4. He invited experts from other sub-committees to participate in the work on the revision of TR 13387-1 'Application of fire performance concepts to design objectives', as outlined in the SC 4 Resolution 87.

The issue of the use of lifts for evacuation was raised. Dr Kruppa said that SC 4 would await input from ISO/TC 178 before discussing it in SC 4.

The Chairman thanked all the sub-committees for their work.

14. LIAISON REPORTS

14.1 ISO/TC 21 - Equipment for fire protection and fire fighting

Mr Smithies presented his liaison report in document N 926. ISO/TC 21 had held its last meeting in September 2001 in Tokyo and Mr Smithies had presented a report from TC 92, which included the new scope and work programme of the main committee and the sub-committees, and also an overview of the framework document. A need for closer interaction between the two committees had been recognised and also for TC 21 to become more performance-orientated.

Mr Smithies further reported that a new SC 11 had been established to deal with smoke and heat control systems and components.

The Chairman thanked Mr Smithies for providing effective liaison between the two TCs. He stressed the importance of TC 21's input into the work on fire safety engineering and hoped that more experts would be appointed to participate in the relevant WGs.

14.2 IEC/TC 89 - Fire hazard testing

Mr Hoover presented his liaison report in document N 918, which included the strategy statement and the current structure. Mr Hoover said that IEC/TC 89 was a horizontal committee, with responsibility for fire issues across IEC, operating through working groups, with no sub-committees and used the IEC server for circulation of documents. Mr Hoover invited the Chairmen and Secretaries of the TC 92 sub-committees to register with IEC and obtain access to the IEC/TC 89 web site. It was agreed that the Secretary would ensure that all the SC Chairmen and Secretaries were provided with the password.

Action: Secretary

14.3 International Maritime Organisation

Dr Yoshida presented the IMO liaison report in document N 920 and explained that all the attachments listed in the report would be placed on the TC 92 server. Dr Yoshida reported that IMO had developed 'Guidelines on alternative design and arrangements for fire safety', which would allow designers to deviate from prescriptive requirements in the regulations if they can demonstrate equivalent levels of safety. It was also developing guidelines for the evacuation of passenger ships and IMO had appreciated input from SC 4 on this subject.

Dr Yoshida suggested that a closer working relationship should be established between IMO and TC 92. He undertook to ensure that a formal invitation to the next IMO meeting was sent to the TC 92 Secretariat. Dr Yoshida also requested participation from SC 4 at the next IMO Fire Protection Sub-committee, which was due to meet on 10-14 February 2003. It was agreed that SC 4 would nominate an expert at its October round of WG meetings in Warsaw.

Action: SC 4 Secretary

The Chairman expressed his concern that TC 92 had not been invited to the recent meeting of the Fire Protection Sub-committee. Also, he had written to the Chairman of ISO/TC 8 and TC 8/SC 1 suggesting formal liaison, but had not yet had a reply. Dr Yoshida agreed to raise this subject at the forthcoming meeting of TC 8/SC 1 in Tokyo.

Action: Dr Yoshida

14.4 Society of Fire Protection Engineers

The Chairman introduced the SFPE liaison report in document N 925 and referred to the list of guidance documents published by SFPE and their current work programme. The Chairman and delegates appreciated the presentation on the World Trade Centre collapse at the joint workshop earlier that week, introduced by Prof. Mowrer, President of SFPE.

14.5 CIB

Mr Bukowski reported on the current work programme in W014. He referred to the joint TC 92 and CIB workshop held on 26 March and the W014 meeting held at SAI on 27 March, and said that W014 was keen in assisting TC 92 in achieving its objectives with the work in TG 244. It would propose pre-normative research in the area of structural response to fire.

The Chairman thanked all the liaison representatives for attending the meeting and presenting their reports.

15. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

A question was raised by SAI as to whether TC 92 anticipated any projects relating to World Trade Centre. The Chairman said that no such work was anticipated as yet in TC 92, but that CIB had established a new task group on tall buildings (TG 50), which had close links with TC 92 and CIB W014. Also, a CIB Tall Building Summit would be held at BRE on 24-26 April 2002, with a second scheduled for April 2003 in Kuala Lumpur.

16. APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTIONS

The resolutions listed in Annex A were approved.

17. DATE AND PLACE OF THE NEXT MEETING

It was agreed that the next meeting would be held in September 2003 in Norwood near Boston, USA.

18. CLOSURE OF MEETING

The Chairman thanked Mr Michel and SAI for providing excellent meeting facilities for the week and closed the meeting by announcing his intention to retire from the Chair before May 2003.

MAGDALENA DI CARLO

Secretary to ISO/TC 92

ANNEX A

RESOLUTIONS AGREED AT THE 28 MARCH 2002 MEETING OF ISO/TC 92

Resolution 247

ISO/TC 92 agrees to re-appoint Bjorn Sundstrom as Chairman of ISO/TC 92/SC 1 for a period of 6 years, ending March 2008.

Resolution 248

Noting the response from ISO CS concerning Technical Specifications (N 919), ISO/TC 92 agrees to publish its guidance documents as International Standards whenever possible.

Resolution 249

ISO/TC 92 welcomes the 'Framework for the long term standardisation of fire safety in support of performance-based design' in document N 911/Rev, incorporating the amendments following the sub-committee comments, and agrees to prepare the first draft of the first level 1 standard by the end of 2002.

Resolution 250

With regard to physical fire models, ISO TC92 SC3 has established as an objective the development of bench-scale equipment and procedure(s) to generate valid fire atmosphere composition data for assessing the contribution of burning end-use products to acute toxic effects on people for use in fire safety engineering, i.e., fire hazard and risk assessment.

In this light, ISO TC92 SC3 does not object to IEC TC89 WG11 proceeding to standardize a tube furnace to meet TC89s objectives for electrotechnical products, a copy of which will be requested. ISO TC92 SC3 will send comments on CD 462 and DTS 505 to IEC TC89 WG11 for consideration in the first revision of these documents while proceeding with the document(s) necessary to meet the general ISO TC92 SC3 objective stated above.

LIST OF DOCUMENTS

 

N 908

10-00

Report of the 22 September meeting of ISO/TC 92

N 909

10-00

Chairman's presentation on long term future of fire safety

N 910

11-01

Agenda for the March 2002 meeting

N 911

11-01

Framework document

N 912

11-01

Registration form

N 913

 

Brief user guide to ISO server

N 914

02-02

Joint TC/CIB workshop programme

N 915

 

ISO strategies for 2002 -2004

N 916

 

Travel and meeting information

N 917

03-02

Letter re nomination of individuals as authorised representatives

N 918

 

Liaison report from IEC/TC 89

N 919

 

Correspondence re Technical Specifications

N 920

 

Liaison report from IMO

N 921

 

Secretariat's report

N 922

 

Report from TG 244

N 923

 

Report from SC 1

N 924

 

Report from WG 11 (TPMG)

N 925

 

Liaison report from SFPE

N 926

 

Liaison report from ISO/TC 21

N 927

 

Report from WG 8

N 928

 

Report from SC 3

N 929

 

Revised framework document

N 930

 

IMO comments on the framework document

N 931

 

Report from SC 2

N 932

 

Report from SC 4

N 933

02-05

Report of the March 2002 meeting of TC 92 in Sydney


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